Stroke test

[Andreas Triantopoulos]

Επειδή εγώ το άρχισα και "φταίω..."

Μερικές σκέψεις...

1. Δεν αρνούμαι (και επειδή εμπιστεύομαι όλους τους φίλους που έκαναν σχολεία GUE) ότι είναι όντως απαιτητικά... αλλά από το απαιτητικό σχολείο έως "άμα δεν το έχεις κάνει" είσαι άχρηστος ως δύτης δεν με βρίσκει σύμφωνο.

2. Εδώ και πάρα πολλά χρόνια έχω αποκτίσει μία ιδιαίτερη αλλεργία στα πράγματα απόλυτα... ίσως η επιρρόη του Σέξτου του Εμπειρικού και οι σπουδές μου δίπλα σε δάσκαλους που μας δίδαξαν να σκεπτόμαστε και να εξετάζουμε τα πάντα, θεωρώντας τα όλα σχετικά, με έκαναν σκεπτικιστή... και άρα δεν δέχομαι ότι υπάρχει μόνο μία αλήθεια.

3. Η ανταλλαγή απόψεων στο internetικό περιβάλλον είναι ίσως το μεγαλύτερο βήμα πολιτισμού τα τελευταία χρόνια. Μέσω αυτών των ανταλλαγών μαθαίνουμε όλοι. Μία συμβουλή μόνο...όταν φωνάζουμε, όταν επιτηθόμεθα, όταν προσβάλουμε, ο άλλος κλείνει τα αυτιά του και διαλογος δεν γίνεται...απλά φωνασκούμε μόνοι μας και γεμίζουμε ψηφικά σκουπίδια, υποβιβάζοντας το μέσο.

4. Το ωραιότερο που έμαθα στην κατάδυση είναι το "what works, works". Kαι άρα η ανάγκη τυποποίησης διαδικασιών, εξοπλισμού κλπ. της ομάδας του Νίκο και του Γιώργου και επιθυμιτή είναι και απαραίτητη. Αλλά δεν θεωρώ ότι υπάρχει ή μία και μόνη σωστή τυποποίηση και είμαι σίγουρος ότι θα συμφωνήσει μαζί μου ο Νίκος. What works for you, might not work for me. Τίποτα δεν είναι απόλυτα λάθος και τίποτα απόλυτα σωστό, είναι όλα person (team), conditions και mission specific.

5. Το πράγμα που εξ'αρχής ενοχλούσε και ενοχλεί με την DIR/GUE είναι ο ελιτισμός της και το απόλυτο που πάντα τον συνοδεύει. Και δυστυχώς αυτό είναι που (ως οργανισμό) τον και θα τον κρατά στην "αφάνεια". Τα πράγματα στη ζωή που προσθέτουν αξία, αποκτούν αξία και σιγα, σιγά γίνονται mainstream ή common wisdom. Όπως το Nitrox, το χταπόδι, το long hose και το isolator manifold. Αυτό είναι και τo test (και όχι μόνο litmus) της DIR/GUE εκπαιδευτικής φιλοσοφίας... εάν επιζήσει, θα επιζήσει γιατί είναι καλύτερη (η θεωρία της εξέλιξης του Darwin έχει εφαρμογή και σε άλλα πράγματα...). Εάν όχι, οι strokes απλά θα γελάνε (κακώς βέβαια..). Αυτό που είναι σίγουρο είναι ότι τουλάχιστον κάποια από τα καλά της θα επιζήσουν και θα γίνουν common wisdom.

Μέχρι τότε, εγώ τα φοράω διπλό σάκο και κλιπς στο harness μου αλλά δεν θα κοιτάω με στραβό μάτι το one-piece harness (θα έχω απλά, καλά ακονισμένο το μαχαίρι μου να το κόψω με τη μία εάν χρειαστεί.)!

[Andreas Triantopoulos]

Appeared in Diver February 2007 DIR is AOK
When the DIR (Doing It Right) philosophy of diving first arrived from the USA, Brendan O'Brien wrote what was, it must be said, a somewhat cynical article for DIVER. So when, five years on, he was invited to attend a DIR training event at Stoney Cove, what sort of experience would he be in for?

S-DRILLS, FUNDIES, BASIC 5 - IT'S ALL DIR TERMINOLOGY and nowhere to be found in the PADI or BSAC dictionary. With a reputation for elitism and the assumption that if you're not Doing it Right, you're Doing it Wrong, is it any wonder that recreational divers look on DIR as being apart from the diving community?
But it would appear that Global Underwater Explorers (GUE), the training agency behind DIR, now wants to become a part of that diving community. The annual DIR X gig held at Stoney Cove in Leicestershire is just one of the ways in which it intends to achieve this.

Several years ago I took a rather irreverent look at DIR (Life On A DIR Planet, DIVER, August 2001). This was the last time I showed any interest in the subject, until I happened to dive with a DIR devotee who, after seeing my attempt to deploy a new delayed SMB (snagged reel, DSMB flying to the surface minus me), amazed me by deploying his own in a systematic and refined manner while remaining perfectly stationary in the water column. It was underwater magic.

SO I PUT MY STEREOTYPING and misapprehensions behind me and joined this year's DIR X event with about 60 beginners, experts and a handful of individuals who just wanted to find out what all the fuss was about.
My first workshop, "Introduction to DIR", was run by Rich Walker, one of the GUE instructors and an expert in DIR myth-busting.

Rich started with the origins of DIR and how George Irvine, the director of a cave exploration project in Florida, had coined the phrase after dismissing the equipment and skills adopted by recreational and technical divers.

Not one for subtlety, in 1998 Irvine started off a promotional video with: "Rule Number One, dive with 'strokes' [non-DIR divers] and you're going to need a bodybag, dive on a boat with strokes, you'll need to carry a bodybag."

Despite his extreme views, Irvine did make some positive comments on the streamlining of kit, maintenance of dive fitness and regular practice of skills, all of which would lead to divers having more "fun." Then he'd go and spoil his attempt at marketing with more of his peculiar brand of diplomacy: "If it's not clean and simple... it's not right. If you're not doing it right, don't do it at all!"

Is it any surprise that this dogmatic approach resulted in several years' worth of DIR fanatics?

RICH CONTINUED BY ASKING EVERYONE what they hoped to achieve from DIR. Father and son Mark and Alex had about 30 dives under their belt and felt attracted to DIR as "it appears to be a safe way of diving, and importantly, my other son will be able to dive with us - it's the only agency to promote diving in a team of three."

Meanwhile, Jenny and Phil had been diving for two years and felt "ready for training that will allow us to dive on sites we only hear people talking about".
They were also interested in "getting our heads round the kit configuration", which is what we did next.
Rich introduced us to the minimalist approach. For example, carry only as many D-rings as are required, each one having a specific purpose. It's all about keeping the rig as simple as possible, reducing the need for convoluted arrangements and ensuring that everything is accessible.

I asked Rich if he would critique my gear. "Critique is too harsh," he replied, but he did agree to go through the differences between a DIR configuration and my recreational kit. I had feared an evangelical attack on my equipment, but the experience was exactly the opposite. We examined its pros and cons and how it would cope in an emergency.

The main issue was the length of hose on my octopus, the suggestion being that it wouldn't realistically enable me to manage an out-of-air situation.
Rich may well have a point. In the pool it does the job, but when a panicking OOA diver needs to breathe I'm sure he would go for the one in my mouth, the one we both know is working rather than the octopus that could be full of sand and grit.

Rich went on to demonstrate how an out-of-air situation would work with a DIR set-up, where the primary regulator is passed to the OOA diver and the back-up, positioned only inches from the donating diver's mouth, is used to breathe from. As the primary regulator has 7ft of hose, any issues of being too close to each other to manoeuvre are minimised.

For the next session it was time to get wet, and following on from my mini-disaster I decided to join the DSMB workshop run by another GUE instructor, John Kendall.

We started by examining my DSMB, and it soon became clear why and where it had snagged: too much line, and a gap between the handle, reel and ratchet teeth. The DIR version is simpler, although its deployment in the water turned out to be quite a challenge.

John demonstrated the technique under water, where he made it seem undemanding, as he remained perfectly horizontal and stationary in the water column. This was our aim too.

However, Neil, my buddy, instantly went into task saturation, and having put too much air in the SMB found himself floating up to the surface.

I didn't fare any better. I couldn't get the DSMB clip back on the D-ring, which soon became a mini obsession.
John came over to assist and in this brief moment the holistic DIR approach all started to make sense.
It's not just about the kit configuration, it's about my experience, my competence, buoyancy control, air-management and, perhaps most importantly, the unified team approach.

Under water again, but this time with a DIR rig, Rich took me through some of the basic drills, the foundations of the team approach: leg-kicks, neutral buoyancy, valve-closures and the S-drill (gas-sharing). As we performed the S-drill, three DIR divers flew past with their scooters - very slick.

THAT EVENING I JOINED THE GROUP for the event dinner. There were presentations, talks about cave and wreck expeditions and discussions about the future of DIR. Rich emphasised the need to "quash the mythical status of DIR - we need to explain it to the wider diving community".

Perhaps the entry-level course being developed by GUE will assist? But there will be more classroom sessions and twice as many open-water dives as other agencies require before qualifying.

Rich explained that this course was designed not to produce super-divers but to "remove the negative ambassadors for diving, those who do the PADI Open Water and who are scared stiff of going diving because they're just not ready".

My expectation of the weekend was of individuals evangelising over their equipment and techniques, and dismissing me as a "stroke." But DIR has bred a new generation of divers like Clare Gledhill, who described this old attitude as "offensive" and said that: "It is possible to dive safely with non-compliant kit... DIR has moved on."

I can vouch for that. I spent 24 hours with a group of welcoming, non-judgmental and highly skilled divers.
If only George Irvine had come up with a different phrase to describe DIR: HAD (Holistic Approach to Diving) or UTD (Unified Team Diving) or some other name that does not set its exponents on a pedestal.
My guess is that many of the principles will trickle into mainstream diving. When I learnt to dive, the only way of achieving buoyancy was through a Fenzy horse-collar and a small air cylinder for inflation. My next purchase was a horse-collar with direct feed, and eventually a modern BC.

Air-sharing meant using your only regulator, later replaced by a back-up reg on the BC low-pressure hose (almost a DIR approach, as my primary regulator would be handed to an OOA diver). Now it's been replaced with an octopus.
In my first club, skills development meant that on every dive you practised at least one skill. That has been replaced by the purchase of another course.
So where will DIR take us? My prediction is that within five years most of us will be diving in uncomplicated wings, with more standardised, streamlined and simplified equipment. There will be long hoses on primary regulators, and the practice of skills will become the norm again.

The old elitist DIR approach is in the past, as Jarrod Jablonski, President of GUE claims: "DIR is a diving philosophy... making it safer and more enjoyable for everyone who chooses to embrace it... GUE wants to share this system with the public and thereby promote inwater safety, efficiency and enjoyment."
With this approach as opposed to "don't dive with strokes", GUE and DIR may just succeed in their aims.

[Thanos]

Αρχικό μήνυμα απο Andreas Triantopoulos

The old elitist DIR approach is in the past, as Jarrod Jablonski, President of GUE claims: "DIR is a diving philosophy... making it safer and more enjoyable for everyone who chooses to embrace it... GUE wants to share this system with the public and thereby promote inwater safety, efficiency and enjoyment."
With this approach as opposed to "don't dive with strokes", GUE and DIR may just succeed in their aims.

Το ζουμί της υπόθεσης...

[NickVas]

Αντρέα,

ευχαριστώ...

ό,τι προσπαθώ να πω από την αρχή του thread... Αν και stroke τα κατάφερες μάλλον καλύτερα

Btw, o Rich Walker ήταν ο εκπαιδευτής μας στο Funds και στο Τ1...

[Andreas Triantopoulos]

Αρχικό μήνυμα απο NickVas

Αντρέα,

ευχαριστώ...

ό,τι προσπαθώ να πω από την αρχή του thread... Αν και stroke τα κατάφερες μάλλον καλύτερα

Btw, o Rich Walker ήταν ο εκπαιδευτής μας στο Funds και στο Τ1...

Νίκο, εάν μου επιτρέπεις να μιλήσουν για μένα οι κύριοι:


If all mankind minus one were of one opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind. ~John Stuart Mill, On Liberty, 1859

If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all. ~Noam Chomsky

και βέβαια:

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. ~Voltaire

I see no reason why I should trade my split-fins for the cumbersome jet-fins as long as I dive in open waters and penetrate no wrecks. Unless of course I want to punish myself with cramps. ~Andreas T.

[Andreas Triantopoulos]

και ένας ηλίθιος που μάλλον έχει μπλέξει τα μπούτια του! Κρίμα που βρίσκεται και σε κατά τα άλλα καλό site

http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/text/HOGARTH3.TXT

Tα smilies δικά μου!!!

IN THE BEGINNING...
-------------------
Divers belonging to a Florida based organisation called the Wakulla Karst
Plains Project (WKPP) hold most of the world's cave diving depth/distance
records, including one awesome three kilometre penetration at an average depth
of 87 meters.

Now you might think that the life support equipment needed to survive these
record breaking exposures would be like something from NASA - big, complex and
expensive. Wrong. The WKPP cave diving equipment system is made from
inexpensive and readily available components. It is slick, light and
streamlined - a model of efficiency and economy. And its applications reach far
beyond the confines of extreme-range mixed-gas cave exploration - it is ideal
for recreational cave and open water technical diving too.


A N D T H E W O R D W A S H O G A R T H
===========================================

Conceived originally by Bill Hogarth Main and refined to a state of Zen-like
simplicity over tens of thousands of dives, the Hogarth system is the
embodiment of the 'less is more' philosophy. Every item in the Hogarth rig has
been considered in relation to every other. The result is a minimalist approach
in which a few carefully chosen components are integrated into a total life
support system. Hogarth is clean, neat, safe and cheap ().

To a Hogarthian diver anything less than optimal is unacceptable. By contrast,
many divers prefer to mix'n'match equipment on an ad hoc basis. These more
arbitrary configurations are usually described by the term Personal Preference
and include helmets with torches clipped to them, back-up regulator long hose
strapped to the tanks with bungy rubber, technical or jacket style BCs with or
without redundant bladders, primary-light battery packs clipped across the
bottom of the tanks (butt-mounted), and breathing from the short hose.

While Personal Preference may appeal to small 'l' liberals, it is an anathema
to Hogarthian divers who consider it sloppy, ill-conceived and dangerous. They
claim it creates more problems than it solves, and if there is a plan behind
it, it is purely to maximise retail gear sales.


ON A WING AND A BACKPLATE
-------------------------
The Hogarth system is based on a backplate bolted to dual tanks and a single
set of Dive-Rite wings. Only one set of wings is used. If redundant buoyancy is
required it is provided by the drysuit (trilaminate membrane - not neoprene,
I'll explain why shortly).

The backplate is worn with a single piece of webbing threaded through the plate
to form shoulder loops and waist straps. The waist straps are fastened by a
weight belt quick release buckle. A crotch strap is attached to the bottom of
the backplate and runs forward between the legs to loop onto the waist straps
at the front.

There are just three D-rings on the main webbing, one at each shoulder and one
at the left hip. The D-rings are held in place with weight retainers threaded
onto the webbing. A fourth small D-ring is attached to the crotch strap at the
back. Unlike technical BCs, the Hogarth rig leaves the chest clear and clean.
The webbing stays tight and close to the body. There are no projections to
catch or dangling straps to snag.

No weight belt is worn. Instead, two manifolded steel tanks of 12 or more
litres provide negative buoyancy even when empty. If more weight is needed, a
heavy stainless steel backplate is used. If even more weight is required, a
long lead weight (V-weight) is bolted to the backplate between the tanks. By
eliminating the weight belt, the Hogarth system eliminates a source of danger
from accidental release and line entanglement, inefficiency due to extra mass
and drag, and discomfort.

For the same reason, neoprene drysuits are unacceptable. Weights must be
carried to counteract the neoprene's inherent buoyancy near the surface. At
depth the neoprene compresses (even pre-compressed or crushed neoprene holds
compressible gas bubbles) and loses buoyancy, so the wings must be inflated to
compensate for the weights. Inflated wings produce drag which requires extra
energy to overcome. The extra energy increases gas consumption. Increased gas
consumption limits the diver's range which, in turn, limits the effective range
and safety of the whole team. This cascading series of problems is typical of
Personal Preference equipment and configurations.


LET THERE (ALWAYS) BE GAS
-------------------------
An isolation manifold connects the tanks, enabling a faulty regulator to be
isolated while still giving access to the gas in both tanks. A first stage is
attached to each valve.

The first stage behind the right shoulder feeds:
a) a second stage on a 7 foot hose
b) the wing inflator hose.

The first stage behind the left shoulder feeds
a) a second stage on a normal length hose
b) a drysuit inflator hose
c) a contents gauge.

That's it - the exact Hogarth rig in which (with only the addition of an argon
drysuit inflation bottle and a pee valve) two WKPP divers set the world
cave-diving penetration record of 4.3 kilometres.

WHERE EVERYTHING GOES
---------------------
The cylindrical cave light battery canister has a belt loop on it which slides
on to the right waist strap. The canister is worn as far back as it will go,
right up against the backplate, where it is in the lee of the shoulder and so
creates no drag.

The waist straps are fastened with a weight belt buckle fixed to the extra long
strap on the left side. The webbing is arranged so that when the right waist
strap is threaded through the buckle and pulled tight, the buckle sits all the
way round at the right side of the body, tight against the light canister.
Thus, the buckle not only secures the waist straps, it holds the canister in
place against the backplate.

The free end of the right waist strap should be long enough to reach round to
the centre front where it is held in place by the loop at the end of the crotch
strap.

Stage and/or decompression bottles are clipped off between the D-rings at left
hip and left shoulder. Contents gauge is clipped off to the left hip D-ring.
Reel (and if wreck diving, folded lift bag) is clipped off on the crotch strap
D-ring at the back. Other stuff - jump reels, line cutter, tables, car keys,
paperback book, deco toys, jelly snakes, waterproof game-boy, etc., - fits into
a flapped pocket sewn and glued to the front thigh of the drysuit.

The second stage on the short hose is your back-up regulator. It comes over
your right shoulder and is held close beneath your chin by a surgical rubber
loop which goes round your neck.

The second stage on the long hose is your primary. This is the one you breath
from throughout the dive and donate in an emergency. The hose goes down the
side of the right tank behind the wing to waist level, then it turns forward,
passes between your body and the bottom of the light canister, comes diagonally
up across your chest, over your left shoulder, around the back of your neck and
the reg goes into your mouth. A clip on the hose next to the regulator allows
you to 'park' it on the right shoulder D-ring when not in use. When gearing up,
the long hose is the last thing you position, so it ends up on top of everything
else.


WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?
----------------------
All Hogarthian dive team members know where their partner's gear is in a
black-out or a silt-out. There is no reg-swapping during the dive (as is
necessary with independent doubles). The long-hose primary remains in the mouth
until a team-member needs it in an emergency. You hand it off to the out-of-air
diver, duck your head to release the hose, and immediately he/she has 4 - 5 ft
of hose. You then reach down and flick the hose from beneath the light canister
and she/he now has the whole 7 ft.

The reason the out-of-air diver gets the reg from your mouth is because a) you
both know it works - you were just breathing from it, and b) in a silt out,
he/she may not be able to locate your secondary regulator by touch, but she/he
can always find your head by touch, and thus, find the primary reg in your
mouth. See? Everything has a reason.

The reason for the long hose is that when two divers wearing doubles are
sharing gas in passageway, a short hose makes progress out of there next to
impossible.

Your back-up regulator is always tight up under your chin, You can find it and
lift it into your mouth instantly. Some people can actually duck their heads
and grab it with their mouth, hands-free.


NOT JUST WHAT BUT HOW
---------------------
1. Strict team diving - your buddy is part of the Hogarth system
2. Strict gas management rules (thirds or better)
3. One depth gauge and
one timer per diver (Uwatec digital depth gauge and bottom timer is good) -
your partner's gauges are your back-ups.


THE ART OF BREATHING
--------------------
To improve reliability and performance it is common to put first stages from
one manufacturer with second stages from another. In the US Poseidon Odin and
Scubapro MK20 first stages with Scubapro G250 or Apeks/Zeagle/Beuchat VX-10
second stages are used for bottom gas. In Europe the MK20/G250 combination is
favoured, along with Apeks T50D firsts and seconds. In Australia, Sea Hornet
Command Air firsts and seconds predominate.

Stage bottle second stages needn't be high-performance. But they should be
reliable, dry breathers and, most importantly, not free flow. Balanced piston
first stages are usually used with lower performance second stages. On deco
cylinders you'll appreciate easy-breathing regulators, especially on long
hangs. High flow rates aren't necessary because these regs are used shallow and
at low work-rates. In the US, piston first stages like the Scubapro MK20 or
MK10+ are used with G250 second stages. In Europe the MK20/G250 combination and
the Apex T50D first and second are favoured. In Australia we tend towards
Command Air firsts with Oceanic Alpha seconds.

All second stages should allow you to unscrew the cover underwater, pull out
the diaphragm, swish them around to clean any muck out of them, loosen a
sticking mechanism, then put them back together. Again, there's a reason for
everything.


LOOK MA, NO COMPUTER
--------------------
Dive computers are not used for mixed gas diving in the Hogarthian system.
Instead, software like Decom (imperial) or ANDI Dive Planner (metric), based on
proven Buehlmann algorithms, is used to plan your dives beforehand. You then
prepare tables and contingencies for the depth you're diving and the gas you're
carrying. The tables are written out or printed and laminated. Two copies are
carried. Using this software makes you think through your dives beforehand. You
can model alternative profiles and gas mixes. And you begin to see patterns
emerge. After a while, you get to know the sort of deco shapes and times to
expect for different dives.

Many Hogarthian divers modify their tables over a series of dives to
incorporate new findings in hyperbaric medicine and bubble mechanics. The
modifications generally include the addition of deep stops.

Obviously, no one person can think of everything, so Hogarthian divers tend to
distil the wisdom of many and only choose the best, the proven and the most
justifiable - which is why the Hogarthian system seems fairly well
standardised. For those people who have any "what abouts..." as in "what about
my 'bondage wings/technical BC?..." "what about my aluminium tanks?..." or
"what about my neoprene drysuit?..." you should remember that the people who
put together the Hogarthian system have had the opportunity to try almost every
piece of diving equipment in existence. They have dived it and either integrated
it into the Hogarthian system or rejected it as deficient. There is Hogarth and
then there is Second Best.

If you would like to know more about the Hogarthian system, internet access is
a must. If you don't have access, find someone who does and ask them to
download and print the contents of these sites for you:

http://www.infinet.com/~toddl/caverig/
http://www.crl.com./~jbentley/cave.html
http://www.wkpp.org

http://www.infinet.com/~toddl/caverig/jjpaper.html
the "Doing It Right" video:
http://www.wkpp.org/videos.html


AND THE LAST SHALL BE FIRST
---------------------------
Finally, the First Rule of Hogarthian diving is possibly the most important
piece of wisdom in the diving world, and is something we should all apply to
all of our diving. It is, simply, 'Don't dive with strokes.'

The term 'stroke' refers to someone who, knowing there is a better system,
chooses to dive in a less than optimal way. It applies to those instructors who
encourage students (who know no better) to exercise Personal Preference, in
order to sell more equipment; it applies to those who don't plan their dives;
those who dive beyond their abilities; who dive deep on air; who take
unnecessary risks; who do big dives using unfamiliar gear; who's only reason
for diving is depth.

Diving with strokes moves us into an area where our safety is no longer in our
own hands. Strokes are sometimes highly 'qualified'. Often they seem very
confident - usually because they have no concept of the danger they are getting
themselves, and you, into. Strokes appeal to your sense of adventure while
pretending to adhere to some standard of common sense. In groups, strokes are
capable of exerting extreme peer pressure. And in case you believe you are
immune to strokism, just remember that two of the leading diving explorers of
our times, Rob Palmer and Rob Parker, recently succumbed to peer pressure and
died on deep-air dives. So whatever else you do, remember the penultimate rule
of Hogarthian diving and apply it with no exceptions: Don't dive with strokes.
They're out there. And they will kill you.

billy williams

[Thanos]

Αντρέα είσαι σε καλό δρόμο... Κeep Walking ...

[Andreas Triantopoulos]

Αρχικό μήνυμα απο Thanos

Αντρέα είσαι σε καλό δρόμο... Κeep Walking ...

Eίμαι στο δρόμο της γνώσης και της αυτοβελτίωσης... δεν κάνω τίποτα που δεν γουστάρω και τίποτα επειδή κάποιος το είπε (ειδικά εάν αυτός έχει πολύ ανεπτυγμένους μύς... και επιμένει ότι μόνο αυτός ξέρει τι είναι σωστό και τι όχι...)

Δεν θα κουβαλήσω ποτέ φακό στη μέση και Goodman στο χέρι για να πάω open water dive στα 55μ στα ελληνικά νερά με ορατότητα 30μ, δεν βρισκω το λόγο...

Δεν βλέπω το λόγο να βουτάω ντάλα καλοκαίρι στην Ελλάδα ή την Ερυθρά με στεγανή στα 55μ... διπλός σάκος και wet suit rule OK

Θα παραμείνω όμως σε μία κατάσταση όπου όλα θα επενεξετάζονται και θα επαναξιολογούνται... από εμένα και σίγουρα όχι από άλλους μεσσίες βλ. GI(T)...

Ούτε θεωρώ (εγώ) ότι η τέλεια πλευστότητα είναι αυτοσκοπός (για μένα)... έχω καλύτερα πράγματα να κάνω από να στεναχωριέμαι εάν είμαι 1 ή 2 ή 3 κιλά αρνητικός...

Και συγχωρέστε με (αν και συλλέκτης πτυχίων) αλλά πιστεύω ότι αυτό που κάνει το δύτη είναι οι ώρες μες το νερό και όχι το hose routing...

Diving is like flying... you need to log the hours!

cheerio,

A.

[GKAM]

OK Αντρέα, τα πέρασα και εγώ αυτά. Μιας που ενέβασες λίγο το επίπεδο και ξεφύγαμε από Muppets, Rambo και Μίστερ Σφίχτερ, ρίξε μια ματιά στον κύκλο των Kuebler και Ross : Shock, Denial (άρνηση), Anger (θυμός/οργή), Bargaining (παζάρι / μέση λύση), Depression (κατάθλιψη), Testing (δοκιμή) και Acceptance (αποδοχή).

Αν και είναι σχεδιασμένος γύρω από το πώς ο κόσμος αντιδρά σε άσχημα νέα και θλίψη, το μοντέλο έχει εφαρμογή και σε άλλα πεδία ίσως ακόμα και στην μετάβαση προς το DIR.



Ένα κοινό πρόβλημα με τον κύκλο είναι πως ορισμένοι παγιδεύονται σε μία φάση. Συνήθως αυτή της άρνησης ή της οργής. Δε λέω να αρχίσουμε την ψυχανάλυση, ούτε να πάμε στα άκρα. Στο κάτω – κάτω ούτε εγώ δεν έχω καταλήξει σε πιο στάδιο είμαι.

[Μάλλον με τοποθετώ κάπου ανάμεσα μεταξύ τέλους του Testing και αρχής του Acceptance…]

/Prozac

[ΓΙΩΡΓΟΣ ΔΕΛΒΕΡΟΥΔΗΣ]

το θεμα με αφορα με διπλο τροπο...

με αφορα ως δυτη, με αφορα και ως εκπαιδευτη αυτοδυτων...

ως δυτης εχω ακολουθησει τα λογια του Αντρεα ...

γραφω ασταματητα ωρες καταδυσης, ενημερωνομαι, και σε καθε βουτια πλησιαζω τον aqua-εαυτο μου ολο και πιο πειστικα...

ειμαι σιγουρος οτι υπαρχει καποιος (ειδικα προς φλωριδα μερια) να μου δειξει μια υποβρυχια κινηση γιογκα (που δεν μπορω να πραγματοποιησω αιωρουμενος) και να μου ζητησει χρηματα για να μου την διδαξει....
Κι επειδη ξερει οτι θα αρνηθω θα προσπαθησει να με πεισει οτι κινδυνευω να πνιγω ΑΜΕΣΑ αν δεν μαθω να την εκτελω....

θα με πεισει με αυτο? εξαρταται απο το ποσο ειμαι επηρρεασμενος απο το παγκοσμιο ρευμα τρομολαγνειας που εχει κατακλεισει τον κοσμο απο δημιουργιας του.

και ολα τα παραπανω ισχυουν στην περιπτωση μου, γιατι ενω εχω εξερευνησει οσο τραβαγε η φιλοδοξια και η περιεργεια μου τα βαθη οπου βασιλευει το μπλε και το γκρι,
επελεξα συνειδητα να βιντεοσκοπω το κοκκινο (η περιπου αυτο), το πορτοκαλι, το πρασινο, το μωβ, το κιτρινο (και μερικα αλλα χρωματα που μονο οι φιλες μου ξερουν πως ονομαζονται)...
Επιθυμω να καταδυομαι σε διαφανα λαγκουν, με χιλιαδες ψαρακια να βολοδερνουν αδιαφοροντας για μενα, δελφινια να χοροπηδανε γυρω μου, ή σε γκρι βυθους με μεγιστο βαθος 10 μετρα αναζητωντας τους δικους μου μακρο θησαυρους...και τους φιλους μου γυρω μου να εχουν εκστασιαστει απο το οργιο της ζωης.....και μετα την καταδυση να με φιλανε απο τη χαρα τους...

Μου ειναι παντελως αδιαφορο αν τα ανταλλακτικα μου κανουν στο ζευγαρι μου...αν κατι χαλασει (καμμια μασκα, κανενα λουρακι, κανενας ρυθμιστης) και δεν μπορω να φτιαξω κατι με τακτικη "Καμαρινου", και δεν βουτηξω καθολου δεν εγινε και τιποτα , για την πλακα μου παω ετσι κι αλλιως... σιγα μην πρεπει να γινω μαοϊκος και να τα χωνω σε μια και μονο εταιρια (το οτι το αλλαζουν τωρα και ειναι ψιλοανετοι με τoν εξοπλισμο ειναι γιατι φαγανε τοσο κραξιμο που κατεβηκαν απο το θρονο και ειδαν την αληθεια)(παρεπιπτωντος δεν εχω χασει ουτε ΜΙΑ καταδυση απο αστοχια υλικου, ΠΟΤΕ)


Ειναι νομιζω προφανες οτι ως δυτη (και οσων αλλων εχουν το ιδιο καταδυτικο προφιλ με μενα )το συστημα του GUE δεν εχει να μου πει τιποτα , κι οταν αντιθετως προσπαθει να με πεισει οποιοσδηποτε οτι τα twin Jet μου ειναι ανεπαρκη και οτι εκανα μαλακια που αφησα τη στεγανη μου στην ντουλαπα και βουταω με το μαγιώ, γελαω και προχωραω, ψιθυριζοντας την γνωστη ελληνικη ρηση αλλα απολυτα αληθινη "ελα παππου μου να σου δειξω τα αμπελοχωραφα σου"...

Με λιγα λογια χεστηκα αν το συστημα της GUE ειναι καλυτερο απο το συστημα της PADI...(η αληθεια ειναι οτι αυτην την κουβεντα την ακουω για ολους τους οργανισμους για οσο βουταω)...
Με το συστημα της PADI, CMAS, ANDI εχω εκπαιδευτει -οσο stroke και να ειναι αυτα- και νομιζω οτι εκπαιδευτηκα σωστα απο μερικους απο τους καλυτερους εκπαιδευτες που εχει η Ελλαδα...οταν ξεκινησα ημουν ο ΟΡΙΣΜΟΣ του stroke και ομως ζω και σας χαιρετω.....τι τυχη θεε μου!


Τι νοημα θα εχει να κατσω εγω ως δυτης να κουβεντιασω με τον Βασιλατο για την αναγκαιοτητα της GUE?

Ο Νικος κανει μια καταδυση σχεδον ξενη με τη δικη μου, οι αναγκες του οταν προσεγγιζει ενα ναυαγιο στα -80μ ειναι πολυ πιο απαιτητικες και -ισως λεω ισως- να απαιτουν την συγκεκριμενη ασκηση γιοσκα,προσωπικα ομως με αφηνουν παγερα αδιαφορο ....

Εχουμε ομως ενα μεγαλο κοινο, το απολυτο παθος για κατι βυθισμενο...
ενα κοινο που μας εχει κανει φιλους (οπως και με πολλους αλλους "DIRαδες") και που μου επιτρεπει να καταλαβω καλυτερα απο οποιονδηποτε "στεριανο" γιατι "κολλαει" ετσι, γιατι δεν ησυχαζει και θελει κι αλλο κι αλλο κι αλλο ...και γιατι κατα την κριση του (την οποια ως Γιωργος-φιλος του εμπιστευομαι απολυτα) επιλεγει να εκπαιδευτει κι αλλο κι αλλο κι αλλο...

Ομως περα απο την ιδιοτητα του δυτη , εχω και την ιδιοτητα του εκπαιδευτη...
Και με αυτην μου την ιδιοτητα ομολογω οτι η GUE μονο αδιαφορη δεν μου ειναι...

κοντευω τα δεκα χρονια παραγωγης stroke.....

Εχω την τιμη να εχω εκπαιδευσει περι τους 1500 δυτες στη ζωη μου ολων των επιπεδων εκπαιδευσης....
Εχω συνοδευσει και καποιες χιλιαδες πιστοποιημενους δυτες .
Δεν προσπαθω να πω ποσο γαματος ειμαι, ειλικρινα... εξαλλου γραφω μεταξυ γνωστων και φιλων...
Απλα προσπαθω να τεκμηριωσω το γεγονος οτι εχω δει με τα ματια μου αυτα που περιγραφουν οι στατιστικες (κι οποιος θελει πιστευει οτι εχω την ικανοτητα να βγαλω γρηγορα στατιστικα συμπερασματα)...

Και εχω φτασει στα εξης συμπερασματα...

Καταδυση αναψυχης (οπως ευχαριστει εμενα ως δυτη) μπορει να κανει οποιοσδηποτε (χωρις προφανη προβληματα υγειας)...
Πιθανοτατα να μπορει να καταδυεται "συνοδευμενα" ακομα και αν ειναι 90 χρονων , και χωρις καμμια δυνατοτητα αντιδρασης σε περιστατικα αναγκης γιατι απλα θα εχει τον εκπαιδευτη αγκαλια και η επιφανεια θα ειναι 1 ατμοσφαιρα μακρια...(αυτος ειναι ο ορισμος του stroke δυτη και ΘΑ ΗΤΑΝ ΤΙΜΗ ΜΟΥ ΝΑ ΚΑΤΑΔΥΘΩ ΜΑΖΙ ΤΟΥ)

Ειναι μαλλον αδιαφορο το τι υλικα καταδυσης χρησιμοποιει αρκει να του "κανουν" και να λειτουργουν.


Ειμαι πεπεισμενος οτι η ποιοτητα της καταδυτικης εκπαιδευσης επηρρεαζεται κατα 85% απο την ποιοτητα του εκπαιδευτη και συνεπως παλι αμφιβαλλω για το κατα ποσο η κουβεντα εχει να κανει με το πιο συστημα πρεπει να ακολουθησεις αλλα σημασια εχει το με ποιον θα κατσεις να μαθεις...και οταν η GUE θα γινει κοινη πρακτικη θα υπαρξουν ανεπαρκεις εκπαιδευτες να τα κανουν μανταρα ετσι ωστε να δημιουργηθει η πρωτη διασπαστικη φραξια GUEi (improved)

Περισσοτερο με προβληματιζει το γεγονος οτι ενα τεραστιο ποσοστο των καινουριων δυτων δεν συνεχιζουν την καταδυση παρα η ανησυχια του καθε ενα οτι ολοι τους ειναι προβατα επι σφαγη επειδη ειναι OW...

Περισσοτερο με προβληματιζει οτι για να δεις στην Ελλαδα ψαρι μεγαλυτερο απο σενα πρεπει να εχεις κρεμασμενες κανα 2-3 μπουκαλες RR, LL, LR, RL και δεν ξερω εγω τι αλλο....και να φτασεις εναν ουρανοξυστη βαθια...

Περισσοτερο με προβληματιζει οτι ξοδευουμε τρελη ενεργεια για να τα χωσουμε ο ενας στον αλλο παρα για να προστατευσουμε την θαλασσα...


Τα εχω ξαναγραψει και παλιώτερα,

Το διλημμα ασφαλης ή επικινδυνη η καταδυση αναψυχης ειναι ΨΕΥΤΙΚΟ...

Η καταδυση μπορει να ειναι ασφαλης και επικινδυνη οπως εξισου ασφαλες και επικινδυνο ειναι το να μασας τσιχλα (Μπ. Σφουγγαρης , μια που αναφερθηκαμε στους Τσομσκι, βολταιρο και τριαντοπουλο)....


Αν θελετε τωρα να αλλαξετε την κουβεντα στο κατα ποσο το DIR ειναι αναγκαιο στην τεχνικη καταδυση μπορειτε να το κανετε....

Η αγγλοσαξωνικη (Μπους , Μπλερ, Μπραουν, Ιρβιν) τρομολαγνεια (ή εισαστε μαζι μας ή εισαστε απεναντι μας) για να κατευθυνουμε και να ελεγχουμε κοσμο δεν εχει θεση στην ζεν ηρεμια του βυθου ή τουλαχιστον δεν εχει θεση στην προσωπικη μου κοσμοθεωρια (που ευτυχως την μοιραζομαι με πολυ πολυ πολυ κοσμο... ξερετε ολη αυτην την πλεμπα που ειμαστε αρκετα gay (χαρουμενοι) ωστε να πλατσουριζουμε στα ρηχα και να ειμαστε ευτυχισμενοι...)